Gary desribes 'Old Greyhawk Castle' (from April of 1975)

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Gary desribes 'Old Greyhawk Castle' (from April of 1975)

Post by Fid » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:53 pm

I have recently been skimming some of the old Diplomacy "zines" that are archived across the web. In 1975, one such "zine", Europa ran a two part article by Gary entitled: "How to Set Up Your Dungeons and Dragons Campaign - and Be Stuck Refereeing it Seven Days per Week Until the Wee Hours of the Morning!"

While the article itself will be of interest to grognards, of particular interest to me was this description of "Old Greyhawk Castle":

Gary wrote:
Before the rules for D&D were published 'Old Greyhawk Castle' was 13 levels deep. The first level was a simple maze of rooms and corridors, for none of the participants had ever played such a game before. The second level had two unusual items, a Nixie pool and a fountain of snakes. The third featured a torture chamber and many small cells and prison rooms. The fourth was a level of crypts and undead. The fifth was centered around a strange font of black fire and gargoyles. The sixth was a repeating maze with dozens of wild hogs (3 dice) in inconvenient spots, naturally backed up by appropriate numbers of Wereboars. The seventh was centered around a circular labyrinth and a street of masses of ogres. The eight through tenth levels were caves and caverns featuring Trolls, giant insects and a transporter nexus with an evil Wizard (with a number of tough associates) guarding it. The eleventh level was the home of the most powerful wizard in the castle. He had Balrogs as servants. The remainder of the level was populated by Martian White Apes, except the sub-passage system underneath the corridors which was full of poisonous creatures with no treasure. Level welve was filled with Dragons. The bottom level, number thirteen, contained an inescapable slide which took the players clear through to China, from where they had to return via 'Outdoor Adventure'. It was quite possible to journey downward to the bottom level by an insidious series of slanting passages which began on the second level, but the likelihood of following such a route unknowingly didn't become too great until the seventh or eight level. Of the dozen or so who played on a fairly regular basis, four made the lowest level and took the trip: Rob Kuntz, now a co-referee in the campaign went alone; and three of his fiends managed to trace part of his route and blunder along the rest, so they followed him quickly to the land of China. - Side levels included a barracks with Orcs, Hobgoblins anf Gnolls continually warring with each other, a museum, a huge arena, an underground lake, a Giant's home, and a garden of fungi.
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http://www.whiningkentpigs.com/DW/oldzi ... opa6-8.pdf
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Post by Gnarley Bones » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:59 pm

:bigthumbsup:

I've had some fun reading through old Diplomacy mags myself.
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Post by Stormcrow » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:24 pm

Any sign of part one of Gary's article? Did he write part three?
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Post by Stormcrow » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:33 pm

Fid wrote:The first level was a simple maze of rooms and corridors
The eight through tenth levels were caves and caverns
Hence the Dungeon Geomorphs distinguishing between upper levels (rooms and corridors packed together), lower levels (more traditional chambers and corridors with plenty of rock surrounding them), and caves & caverns.

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Re: Gary desribes 'Old Greyhawk Castle' (from April of 1975)

Post by Fid » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:39 pm

Nope, couldn't find it online. Europa's editor, Walter Luc Haas, was apparently quite well known in European gaming circles. Gary gives him a shout out in the first Strategic Review:
Of great interest is the new magazine EUROPA (Walter Luc Haas, Postfach 229, CH-4018 Basel 18, Switzerland) which is a wargaming newsletter aimed at U.K. and European hobbyists. Because of the many languages spoken throughout the circulation area, Walter publishes in English. It is absolutely jammed full of information. A highlyrecommended news ëzine, and 60¢ gets you a sample copy here in the U.S., but remember not to send personal checks and the like -- postal money orders of the international variety are best
Best place to get try for a copy would be the Hoosier Archives at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. I think DF member Bruce B lives close by. He has pulled something for me once before.
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Post by grodog » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:57 am

Nice find, Andy! I'll have to read this in earnest tomorrow :D
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Post by Rhuvein » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:43 pm

Interesting. Thanks for posting this, Fid.
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Post by Omote » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:57 pm

Very cool find. Thanks for sharing.

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Post by Fid » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:07 am

I just hope it supports Grodog's research!
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Post by Kersus » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:28 pm

Thanks for the link!
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Post by grodog » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:27 am

Good news, Andy: I've located the other issues that should have the rest of Gary's series of articles. It may be a bit before I can get to them, but I should be able to get copies at some point.
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Post by Fid » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:40 am

Cool, we can gather a team of DF transcribers and go to work. I'm also interested in how Gary's description of the Castle Greyhawk dungeons matches your research
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Post by TheDungeonDelver » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:14 pm

Given this information, one could easily construct their own mirror image of CG dungeons, yes?

I think so! I mean, of course you'd have to come up with the maps yourself but still...
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Re: Gary desribes 'Old Greyhawk Castle' (from April of 1975)

Post by grodog » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:52 am

TheDungeonDelver wrote:Given this information, one could easily construct their own mirror image of CG dungeons, yes?
That's my hope, yes, Bill.
TheDungeonDelver wrote:I think so! I mean, of course you'd have to come up with the maps yourself but still...
There are some maps out there: the ENWorld Moderators' partial map from GenCon 2007, the map at RPGgeek, the one sold by Paul Stormberg several ago based on his game-play in the Castle at GenCon 1999/2000, etc. I'm sure there are others out there, too.
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