[C&C] Castle Keeper's Guide & Screen

Yumit · Post by **Yumit** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:48 pm

What happen with the "Castle Keepers Guide" and the "Castle Keeper's Screens"?

Any idea of when they will be ready?

Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:29 pm

I believe the CK Screen is either ready for the printer or at the printer. The CKG is still in the "writing" stage.

But don't quote me on anything.

R-

Post by **skathros** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:39 pm

Rigon wrote:But don't quote me on anything.

R-

I just did

Bahamut · Post by **Bahamut** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:48 pm

Heh heh....funny mod.

I am looking forward to both releases....

Grimaryl Atyar · Post by **Grimaryl Atyar** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:59 pm

The Trolls have said they have finally decided on a layout for the screen, so should be off to the printers by now, or soon. So hopefully within 30 days??

As for the CKG, it is not only a work in progress, but also on the back burner. Why? Because you really, truly, do not need it. Besides, any other DMG for D&D will tell you "how to DM". The CKG is primarily a how to do other things with the SIEGE engine book, alternative rules, maybe even alternative classes, maybe how to multi-class, but nothing you have to have to CK/GM/DM a game. The M&T is much more useful for that kind of stuff. Especially in magic item creation, which is much more like it used to be in the 1E and 2E days.

Plus cncplayer.net has a lot of great ideas, info, alternative character sheets, as well as the C&C messageboards.

dcas · Post by **dcas** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:45 am

Maybe this year, or the year after that.

Gen*Con 2012 or bust!!

Rath · Post by **Rath** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:48 am

Something tells me we may never actually see the Castle Keepers Guide (really, as others have said, it's not needed). I do think we'll eventually see the Castle Keepers Screen though... not soon, but I think maybe by the end of the year.

Clangador · Post by **Clangador** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:33 am

The Fallen wrote:Something tells me we may never actually see the Castle Keepers Guide (really, as others have said, it's not needed). I do think we'll eventually see the Castle Keepers Screen though... not soon, but I think maybe by the end of the year.

I hope you are not correct about the CKG. I really do hope that.

Rath · Post by **Rath** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:53 am

I hope you are not correct about the CKG. I really do hope that.

I was eager for it too last year but not anymore. This is how I see it... right now C&C is only two books and is a complete game system (a very good system, the best fantasy rpg in print IMHO). How much value is the CKG going to add? Probably some, but I'm afraid it will also add a bunch of optional stuff (new classes, etc...) that will only subtract from what is already a great game. If it ever does come out, you'll have some people using this rule while others use that rule, effectively ruining the current standardization of the rules.

I guess I'm just pessimistic...

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:07 am

Oh, the book is coming out eventually. But there are a few more priority things in the works before it. For new players who need advice on adapting their games, it should be invaluable. For the experienced player? Depends on the player I spose?

Post by **skathros** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:01 am

The Fallen wrote: This is how I see it... right now C&C is only two books and is a complete game system (a very good system, the best fantasy rpg in print IMHO). .

Add the Crusader mag. to the PH and M&T, and you really have more than you will ever need.

Grimaryl Atyar · Post by **Grimaryl Atyar** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:29 am

The Fallen wrote:
I hope you are not correct about the CKG. I really do hope that.
I was eager for it too last year but not anymore. This is how I see it... right now C&C is only two books and is a complete game system (a very good system, the best fantasy rpg in print IMHO). How much value is the CKG going to add? Probably some, but I'm afraid it will also add a bunch of optional stuff (new classes, etc...) that will only subtract from what is already a great game. If it ever does come out, you'll have some people using this rule while others use that rule, effectively ruining the current standardization of the rules.

I guess I'm just pessimistic...

Do you hang out on the message boards? We are all about house rules. There is enough commonality that you could probably reognize that we are using the SIEGE system, but we are not standard on even how the classes are constructed, or if initiative is a straight d10 roll or dex bonus can be added, or if the TN's are 12/18, or 10/15, or something else entirely. Even how many Primes each race has differs, plus "half-Primes now exist.

"Standardization" is already a very loose and general kind of term for C&C games, and I actually think that is cool. I like all these various ideas. Plus the fact that I am aware of so many different "house rules" I can go to a Con and sit down to a game of C&C and the CK will show me house rules he wants to use. Odds are I'll find out s/he is someone I know from the boards, or that the house rules are something very similiar to what I have seen before, that I will feel comfortable playing with these different ideas.

The only real "standard" is that the SIEGE engine is at the heart of it all.

PeelSeel2 · Post by **PeelSeel2** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:36 pm

I prefer to think of the C&C rules as not a standardization but a good reference point.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:29 pm

C&C advocates several standard concepts, of which the utmost importance are the ones that brought the game to life:

"Imagination. Fun. Brotherhood."

The loose translation of the "code" of the Society.

Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:04 pm

PeelSeel2 wrote:I prefer to think of the C&C rules as not a standardization but a good reference point.

I like how you think.

dcas · Post by **dcas** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:38 pm

serleran wrote:C&C advocates several standard concepts, of which the utmost importance are the ones that brought the game to life:

"Imagination. Fun. Brotherhood."

The loose translation of the "code" of the Society.

That's a VERY loose translation.

Cogitatio = thinking
Remissio = forgiveness
Fraternitas = brotherhood

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:53 pm

Eh, well, cogitatio means various things aside from "thinking" as it can imply a specific thing, such as a single thought, or even the process... or so my Latin dictionary says.

As for remissio... that's a complex one, as it means "letting go, or relaxation..." hence, perhaps, synonymous with "fun," but also possible to mean many other things, including "nostalgia," but "forgiveness" makes no sense in my opinion, so its a non-issue to me.

I mean, the slogan isn't like the one for Havard... its not very straight-forward.

But, take the words however you want them. The point is still the same.

dcas · Post by **dcas** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:32 pm

serleran wrote:but "forgiveness" makes no sense in my opinion, so its a non-issue to me.

I agree that it makes no sense in context, but that's its primary meaning IIRC (remissio is a cognate of remission).

I mean, the slogan isn't like the one for Havard... its not very straight-forward.

Harvard's current motto is "Veritas" (Truth) but it used to be "Veritas pro Christo et ecclesia" (Truth for Christ and the Church").

Geoffrey · Post by **Geoffrey** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:48 pm

dcas wrote:Harvard's current motto is "Veritas" (Truth) but it used to be "Veritas pro Christo et ecclesia" (Truth for Christ and the Church").

I understand that Harvard is going to further "update" its motto to "quid est veritas?"

dcas · Post by **dcas** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:15 am

Geoffrey wrote:I understand that Harvard is going to further "update" its motto to "quid est veritas?"

sub Pontio Pilato?

Grimaryl Atyar · Post by **Grimaryl Atyar** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:24 am

Maliki wrote:
PeelSeel2 wrote:I prefer to think of the C&C rules as not a standardization but a good reference point.
I like how you think.

I think that is a very good way to look at it. If more people were to have that attitude with 3E I might still be DMing it.

Nope.

Geoffrey · Post by **Geoffrey** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:13 am

dcas wrote:
Geoffrey wrote:I understand that Harvard is going to further "update" its motto to "quid est veritas?"
sub Pontio Pilato?

Yep.

Artimoff · Post by **Artimoff** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:57 am

I wondered why mine hadn't arrived from Amazon.com.

Someone needs to tell them that it doesn't exist yet.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:21 am

They've been told, about three hundred times, at least. They still haven't fixed some other errors, either. Amazon is good at that.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:06 am

They must be related to the guy that pops up on ebay with multiple copies of CZ 2 and 3 for sale.

YorkusRex · Post by **YorkusRex** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:50 pm

serleran wrote:but "forgiveness" makes no sense in my opinion, so its a non-issue to me.

"But I used to play 3.x,HM,<insert hated system here>..."

"Hey remissio dude. We're all about it. Grab a seat and roll up a character."

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:45 pm

dcas wrote:
Geoffrey wrote:I understand that Harvard is going to further "update" its motto to "quid est veritas?"
sub Pontio Pilato?

(on both counts)